Anyone know how?

Okay--

So, anyone know how to get real information from like 200 years ago? Sigh!

So--I'm trying to search Thomas Holdsworth's (the one who married Nancy Bibby) father.

Many records have him listed as "Jonas Holdsworth"---others have him listed as "Thomas Holdsworth"

But--if you go back to HIS parents--they had a Thomas--

They had NO Jonas  (plus--the years are all off).

I searched Jonas Holdsworth's in the area they're from (West Yorkshire, I believe)--in the time periods involved--

The only Jonas Holdsworth anything showed was a Jonas Holdsworth living in the local workhouse (and he was recorded as having intellectual disabilities).

Typically in that day and age, families who had a child with such disabilities would put them in the workhouse (which acted like an "institution")--and would not even claim that child.

So--this could be their child--BUT if he had intellectual disabilities he likely would not have reproduced.

So--go back to Thomas Holdsworth.

Well--in the records--their son Thomas became a Reverand--and never married.

So--go back to their children--they did have a son named William--who had a son named Thomas.

He typically is listed with a wife, and 1 child (a daughter).

But--could this actually be Jonas's father--or maybe his name really was Thomas (notice we're adding another generation here--but the years are off as well--sigh!)

So--I searched Jonas's anywhere nearby--thinking "well--maybe Rev. Thomas had an illegitimate child and the mother still gave him the Holdsworth surname.

Found one--but years are off.

HELP!!!  The Thomas Holdsworth of Thomas and Nancy (Bibby) did not just miraculously appear.

Here's the other place I need help:  at some point WAY back there--at least some of the Holdsworth's left West Yorkshire, and went to Ireland.  It could be likely that someone went there as an endentured servant or something like that.

But--I can't find records of when the Holdsworth surname moved from West Yorkshire to Ireland either.

Sigh!  So--again--how do we find out this info. when the records stop and have a break like this?  Help!

Found some stuff!

Hi all,

So I've found some cool stuff online.  Yes--I stayed up tonight messing around on the Internet!  Google is a Family History "buff"'s friend!

I actually had a great experience once finding a "long lost cousin" on a different family line that way--so now I do it to find stuff about Holdsworths (and other family history information, of course).

But--I found this.  I hope it's actually correct--cause if it is, it's the best history I've found thus far:

http://www.dcpendleton.co.uk/genealogy/damien_pendleton/DCPg290.htm#10312

If you just keep clicking on "parent"--it can eventually take my line all the way back to the 1400's!!!

Here's another cool thing I found:

http://www.archive.org/stream/monumentalotheri00cros/monumentalotheri00cros_djvu.txt

If you scroll down to Holdsworth, at the Holdsworth Chapel--it gives the information from these men's actual graves in England!!

I believe this is where my line is a little confused---so I'm hoping that this information (which aligns with the actual dates from the other website) may help solve the problem.

Here's hoping, anyway!!

Now--I just have to figure out how to align my family line with some of you other Holdsworth's I've met out there (okay--actually--there's a lot of research that needs to be done using these 2 websites above--but that's another story).  So--hope to blog about that endeavor (of aligning) soon :)

Checking in

So--hello again---


My  mother--whose maiden name is "Holdsworth" passed away a couple days after Christmas from breast cancer.


I told her before she died that I would take over the Holdsworth Family History Work.

So--I have all of the Holdsworth information now (that I could gather at the time) and am going through it a little at a time.

I know where our line is stuck--but am not quite sure how it all works out yet.

Would still love to hear from any Holdsworths--as basically I believe it is true that if your surname is Holdsworth---

Spelled that way (as above) we likely come from the same line somewhere!

Thank you for still checking out this blog--and please leave comments so that we can keep in contact with each other!

Thank you!

Very Extended Holdsworth Reunion

Thank you to Gene Holdsworth for sending me this information!

VERY Extended Holdsworth Family Reunion:

Gene Holdsworth has sent the information for this year's very "extended" Holdsworth Family Reunion!!! Here's the information:

There is a Holdsworth reunion scheduled for this coming summer at the YMCA Camp of the Rockies adjacent to Rocky Mountain National Park above Estes Park, Colorado -- July 15-18. The facilities are superb (hotel-like accommodations with excellent cafeteria-style food service, plus almost every activity imaginable for all age levels (from activities for pre-schoolers on up to climbing to the crest of Long's Peak for the most seasoned and determined of hikers). As you can tell from our enthusiasm for "hotel-like with food services" opportunities, we are not camping in the rough types!

Holdsworth Land

So--here's what we know about the Holdsworth land connection--to the 1600 and 1700's in England.

The Holdsworth land was in Yorkshire England---relatively close to Halifax, ThAshday or Astley—Holdsworth House is somewhere near Ashday—close to Halifax.

There were 2 branches of the family—Northoram and Southoram branches—small communities not too far from each other—but were separate entities. Ours (my family) was possibly the Southoram section.

There was and associated with the Holdsworth House.

Word “worth” is an anglo-saxon word for an enclosed piece of land with a hedge or fence around it. Entimology—put Hold in front of Worth=

A Holdsworth lived on the property for hundreds of years—we do not know the year when the son named William got into debt and had to sell the property---but likely 2 generations before Thomas Holdsworth and Nancy Bibby (Thomas was born in 1788). So maybe around 1700 when the property was sold.

It may be likely that he sold it to his brother in law-but we're really not sure. We do know that the land went out of the Holdsworth name at that point.

We’re related to Thomas, P. Holdsworth (who is a relative we've been in contact with in England for years) is related to Thomas—Thomas married Nancy Bibby—and they had a number of children. Their oldest child was Thomas—Peter is descended from Thomas. We are descended from Jonas.

Thomas of 1788—that is our hole. He was listed as Jonas Holdsworth—his father was supposedly another Thomas—the brother of William—but it’s murky because Thomas is listed as marrying the same woman as William. Because William sold the property they are then not tied to the Hallifax area anymore—and within 2 generations (Thomas of 1788) lived in Leeds. **This is where we need help--where we need to know from the point the land was sold to Thomas of 1788 what happened to the family--and then we need more information of the 1788 Thomas and/or Jonas Holdsworth. Who was he really married to? Who were his siblings? Where did they go?

Thomas (1788) and William likely had a sister (also brother named John—sister named Pheobe, Mary, and Frances)—as the property may have been sold to a sister-in-law—but we only have very murky information of the generation after this Thomas and William—and are unsure of where their other siblings may have ended up. Thomas was a curat—an “assistant vicar”—curat’s did not always marry (couldn’t always afford it)—supposedly married Peggy Wilson—but other records show William marrying her—so confusion there.

This is what we do know of the later Thomas and Nancy Bibby and their children:

Thomas and Nancy Bibby—children=
Martha came to the US
James was oldest son—came to US—his family settled in Michigan
Hannah—
Jonas—joined LDS Church and came to UT
Thomas—Peter’s ancestor--stayed in Leeds, England
Mary—
Nancy—also came to US


Thomas who married Nancy Bibby—we also don't have a full listing of this Thomas's siblings. We would love more information on this Thomas's siblings as well!

So--if you have more information on Thomas and William Holdsworth from around 1788, please leave a comment--we'd love more information!

P.S.

If you visit, and are related or are a Holdsworth in anyway--PLEASE leave a comment so we can connect with you!!!

Thanks!

Shocked and Amazed??!!!

Yes--you should be shocked and amazed!!! I am still alive--but life has included moves, new job, and the adventure has not ended anywhere close there!

So--sorry to not have updated--and I wish I could say more will be added soon!

BUT--I know at least some great people have found this website--so please, if you are a Holdsworth--and have any further information for us on Holdsworth ancestry--we'd LOVE to hear about it!!!

BUT--a wonderful Holdsworth has sent me the information about the "Very" Extended Holdsworth Family Reunion in Colorado this Summer!!!

Here is the information!!

Guess what? G. Holdsworth has sent me the information for this year's very "extended" Holdsworth Family Reunion!!! Here's the information:

There is a Holdsworth reunion scheduled for this coming summer at the YMCA Camp of the Rockies adjacent to Rocky Mountain National Park above Estes Park, Colorado -- July 15-18. The facilities are superb (hotel-like accommodations with excellent cafeteria-style food service, plus almost every activity imaginable for all age levels (from activities for pre-schoolers on up to climbing to the crest of Long's Peak for the most seasoned and determined of hikers). As you can tell from our enthusiasm for "hotel-like with food services" opportunities, we are not camping in the rough types!

I'll try to get more information about activities and such as well!

So--hopefully more connections can be made through this reunion too!