Okay--
So, anyone know how to get real information from like 200 years ago? Sigh!
So--I'm trying to search Thomas Holdsworth's (the one who married Nancy Bibby) father.
Many records have him listed as "Jonas Holdsworth"---others have him listed as "Thomas Holdsworth"
But--if you go back to HIS parents--they had a Thomas--
They had NO Jonas (plus--the years are all off).
I searched Jonas Holdsworth's in the area they're from (West Yorkshire, I believe)--in the time periods involved--
The only Jonas Holdsworth anything showed was a Jonas Holdsworth living in the local workhouse (and he was recorded as having intellectual disabilities).
Typically in that day and age, families who had a child with such disabilities would put them in the workhouse (which acted like an "institution")--and would not even claim that child.
So--this could be their child--BUT if he had intellectual disabilities he likely would not have reproduced.
So--go back to Thomas Holdsworth.
Well--in the records--their son Thomas became a Reverand--and never married.
So--go back to their children--they did have a son named William--who had a son named Thomas.
He typically is listed with a wife, and 1 child (a daughter).
But--could this actually be Jonas's father--or maybe his name really was Thomas (notice we're adding another generation here--but the years are off as well--sigh!)
So--I searched Jonas's anywhere nearby--thinking "well--maybe Rev. Thomas had an illegitimate child and the mother still gave him the Holdsworth surname.
Found one--but years are off.
HELP!!! The Thomas Holdsworth of Thomas and Nancy (Bibby) did not just miraculously appear.
Here's the other place I need help: at some point WAY back there--at least some of the Holdsworth's left West Yorkshire, and went to Ireland. It could be likely that someone went there as an endentured servant or something like that.
But--I can't find records of when the Holdsworth surname moved from West Yorkshire to Ireland either.
Sigh! So--again--how do we find out this info. when the records stop and have a break like this? Help!
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I have been following this blog for some years now, it has proved extremely informative in the past to me, and had enabled me to make a ‘match’ in family connections. I am the g-g-grandson of Hannah Holdsworth, sister of James Holdsworth, and daughter of Thomas Holdsworth and of Nancy Bibby. Hannah Holdsworth married George Ramsden of Keighley West-Riding (W. Yorkshire) in the 1850’s. She emigrated with her son Samuel Ramsden to Massachusetts in 1871. She had several children, and Samuel seems to have been her youngest.
ReplyDeleteSamuel Ramsden married Martha Fenton, and had one daughter; Florence Louise Holdsworth Ramsden in 1898, they lived in Cambridge Mass. Florence Ramsden married Norman Webster Morison in 1920 and also had only one daughter, Frances Ramsden Morison. Frances Morison is my mother.
Had it not been for the wealth of information that your blog provided I would not have been able to make head or tails about any of this, as it is I have certain family memento’s including one picture of James Holdsworth taken in Bradford before he emigrated to Detroit, another of Hannah Holdsworth and either a brother or her husband George Ramsden taken in Keighley in circa late 1840’s. A later photo of Hannah just before she died in 1891, as well as a photo taken of her memorial tombstone just after she died, on which is listed dob January 5, 1819, and dod December 29, 1891.
Hi! I am so excited from your comment--I hope you read this one! I'd love to connect with you via e-mail. Please send your e-mail to mmpsonmed at gmail dot com !!! I'd love to see copies of your pictures--and I'm SO glad that you have gotten a lot of information from this blog! I'd love to hear about any other connections you've made with other relatives as well!!
ReplyDeleteMary (daughter of Wendy Holdsworth P.)